Update: Deputy Mayor Gibb On Policing Options

I edited the post, Deputy Mayor Gibb On Policing Options/Windsor Contract to include a follow up email to Deputy Mayor Gibb and his response, verbatim, set out below.

Also, he attached three financial documents and I added highlights to the sections he is referring to:

  1. Amherstburg Police
  2. OPP Essex Detachment
  3. OPP Kingsville Detachment

follow up question: you stated there’s a significant cost difference to the OPP of around $2 million a year; is that $2 million a year of savings or $2 million a year in higher costs?

response: I believe what I said is that it appears as if the OPP model of policing would be around $2 million per year less than our current WPD-Amherstburg Detachment policing model as per the attached 2022 budget documents.

Amherstburg’s net total cost of policing was pegged at around $5,397,437 (bottom right of Amherstburg police.pdf document)

Essex’s net total cost of policing was pegged at around $3,073,673 ($3,054,032 police + $19,641 police board)

Kingville’s net total cost of policing was pegged at around $3,391,714.

So, the OPP model for Essex and Kingsville appears to be around $2 million per year less than Amherstburg’s.

Listen to the audio.

Deputy Mayor Gibb On Policing Options/Windsor Contract

At the February 8, 2023 Special Council Meeting, Mayor Prue asked if there were any further questions. Deputy Mayor Gibb said he didn’t really have a question, although his statement lasted approximately 4 minutes, some of which was repetitive and redundant.

He reiterated the purpose of the meeting: to determine if they were going to renew this contract and mentioned what happened in the past has happened; it’s done. Then he thought they had 4 options:

  1. restart our own police service, which he thought the cost would be overwhelming and noted the reserves that we were supposed to have put aside, aren’t there. Also, there are 10 months before the end of this contract.
  2. partner with LaSalle; he mentioned startup costs with that, LaSalle’s cost per resident is much higher and again, there are 10 months before the end of this contract.
  3. the OPP; there’s a significant cost difference to the OPP of around $2 million a year. Initially, he said the other municipal leaders have all said they’re not satisfied with, then stated he shouldn’t say they’ve all said, certain ones have said they’re not satisfied with the service they’re getting from the OPP. And again, there are 10 months before the end of this contract.
  4. renew the Windsor contract, which he didn’t think was a bad option because:
    • we’re saving money over what our own service would have cost;
    • the survey results from late 2022; 
    • his day job encounters with people who interact with the police
    • he’s never heard that they haven’t received exemplary service.
    • we don’t really have a choice at this point
    • he feels the Windsor police Amherstburg detachment does a great job protecting Amherstburg; they do it at a reasonable cost.

He felt they were going to have to vote to go with the recommendation and eventually moved to receive the report and go forward with renewing the Windsor police contract for the next five years. Carried.

Mayor Michael Prue acknowledged he snuck it in very very good.

Listen to the audio.

EDITED: I emailed Deputy Mayor Gibb with a follow up question: you stated there’s a significant cost difference to the OPP of around $2 million a year; is that $2 million a year of savings or $2 million a year in higher costs?

His response: I believe what I said is that it appears as if the OPP model of policing would be around $2 million per year less than our current WPD-Amherstburg Detachment policing model as per the attached 2022 budget documents.

Amherstburg’s net total cost of policing was pegged at around $5,397,437 (bottom right of Amherstburg police.pdf document)
Essex’s net total cost of policing was pegged at around $3,073,673 ($3,054,032 police + $19,641 police board)
Kingville’s net total cost of policing was pegged at around $3,391,714.
So, the OPP model for Essex and Kingsville appears to be around $2 million per year less than Amherstburg’s.

more to follow.

Questions For New Council Unanswered: Update

Some elected officials have now answered some of my October 26 questions, as mentioned in the November 14 post, Kudos And Questions For New Council Unanswered.

Since I did not encounter any barriers during campaigns by Councillor Diane Pouget and Councillor Peter Courtney, they were not asked to answer the three questions.

Mayor Michael Prue and Councillor Donald McArthur did not respond at the time of this post.

All answers, including typos and misspellings, are as received.

  • of the accessibility information the town provided to you for your campaign, which did you read?

    Deputy Mayor Chris Gibb: no answer

    Councillor Molly Allaire: I read all materials supplied to me during my campaign from the town. I did not want anything to jeopardize my chances of making it into council.

    Councillor Linden Crain: I read all election material provided by the Town throughout my campaign, including any information pertaining to the Municipal Elections Act, 1996, the Ontarians with Disabilities Act, 2001, and the Accessibility for Ontarians with Disabilities Act, 2005.

  • what trainings have you participated in for accessibility legislation, for example, as an employee, volunteer, etc.?

    Deputy Mayor Chris Gibb
    : I’m proud to say that I did complete the ADOA training that was offered to all members of council and I hope to put what I learned into practice not only in my “municipal life” but also in my personal life.

Councillor Molly Allaire: I have never really had any accessibility training. I have taken a few courses in university such as “Special Populations” and “Athletics for Everyone” which basically taught us many different populations accessibility needs and how to make recreation possible for everyone. At my previous job I learnt in the field about all walking aid assistive devices and such/

Councillor Linden Crain: Both the Town of Amherstburg and the County of Essex members of Council have received training on accessibility. I have also been advised that Administration will be doing a special session on accessibility in the first quarter of 2023.

  • how will you fulfill the obligation to remove barriers?

    Deputy Mayor Chris Gibb: no answer

Councillor Molly Allaire: I am just dipping my feet into the waters here so bare with me. I plan to start applying for grants with the towns approval of course to help making our playgrounds and “heritage buildings” more accessible. I know this is not the perfect plan but starting somewhere is important. If you have any ideas or concerns specifically about the town that you would like to bring forward I will always listen and try to help. This is why I stepped up for this position.

Councillor Linden Crain:

  • Continue an open dialogue with the Town’s Accessibility Advisory Committee.
  • Follow regulations outlined in the Accessibility for Ontarians with Disabilities Act. 
  • Always remain available to address concerns any resident faces in the Town of Amherstburg.
  • Work closely with Town Administration to establish procedures and measures that ensure those with disabilities have the opportunity to experience all our community has to offer.